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HUNTINGTON BEACH PLANNING COMMISSION
Council Chambers, Civic Center
Huntington Beach, California
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 16, 1975 - 7:00 P.M.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Shea, Boyle, Kerins
Chairman Slates arrived at 7:20 P.M.
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: None
NOTE: A TAPE RECORDING OF THIS MEETING IS ON FILE IN THE PLANNING
DEPARTMENT OFFICE.
CONSENT CALENDAR:
Minutes of December 2, 1975.
ON MOTION BY BOYLE AND SECOND BY PARKINSON THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER 2,
1975 WERE APPROVED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
AYES: Parkinson,
NOES: None,
ABSENT: Slates
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
None
SCHEDULED ITEMS:
Bazil, Finley, Shea, Boyle, Kerins
USE PERMIT NO. 75-58 - APPEAL TO APPROVAL
APPLICANT: Standard Oil Company of California
APPELLANT NO. 1 - G. A. Nixon, et al
APPELLANT NO. 2 - Standard Oil Company of California
The original request was to permit the construction of a gas treat-
ment plant on an approximate one acre plot of land within an
existing oil field located at the southwest corner of Garfield and
Goldenwest Street.
The first Appeal was filed by property owners within the Seacliff
Residential Area. The second Appeal was filed by the applicant and
represents an appeal to Conditions 1, 9, and 10 imposed by the
Board of Zoning Adjustments in its approval action.
Jim Palin addressed the Commission and briefly reviewed the back-
ground information, noting that the attorney's office had submitted
an opinion at the request of Planning Staff on certain legal questions.
A vugraph was presented and Mr. Palin clarified the acreage involved.
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Chairman Slates stated that the first Appeal, filed by the home-
owners in Seacliff Residential Area, would be heard first. He
then opened the public hearing.
Commissioner Finley requested that it be made a matter of record
that she, Chairman Slates, and Bill Foster, Huntington Beach
Company, had made a tour of the site on Friday, December 12,
1975.
Mr. G. A. Nixon addressed the Commission and spoke against the
use of the property, stating that he and other residents feared
potential uses of heavy manufacturing in the area in the future,
with possible increased expansion of oil operations. He further
stated that the Oil Code needs updating. Chairman Slates in-
formed him that this is being done at the present time.
Mr. Tom Welch addressed the Commission and spoke against the
use. He complained of odors presently emanating from the oil
operations. He further discussed the need for more landscaping
around oil operations and the need for painting the tanks. He
stated that 55 dba was fine insofar as noise level is concerned.
Chairman Slates requested that representatives of Standard Oil
speak on their Appeal to the three conditions.
Mr. Ed Scott addressed the Commission and stated that this was
a diminishing oil field. He also stated that the site of the
gas treatment plant was a 135 ft. by 135 ft. piece of property.
He stated that they had no plans to build a refinery in Huntington
Beach. He stated that the plant would not have any harmful
effects on the area; it won't be seen or smelled, or heard off
property line.
Jane Carpenter, representing Seacliff property owners, stated
that although only four persons signed the Appeal, the other
property owners were in support of their action.
A resident of 6702 Lawn Haven Drive spoke on problems of enforce-
ment of noise level.
Chairman Slates closed the public hearing on the two Appeals.
There was discussion by the Planning Commission on the conditions
of approval.
ON MOTION BY BOYLE AND SECOND BY BAZIL THE APPEAL FILED BY
G. A. NIXON ET AL ON USE PERMIT NO. 75-58 WAS DENIED BY THE
FOLLOWING VOTE:
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Slates, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: Shea
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ON MOTION BY FINLEY AND SECOND BY BOYLE STANDARD OIL COMPANY'S APPEAL
TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL 1, 9 and 10 FOR USE PERMIT NO. 75-58
WAS DENIED FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
Condition No. 1 - It is necessary to establish existing noise
conditions along the property lines to determine at some later
date whether the gas processing plant would have a detrimental
effect upon this noise level.
Condition No. 9 - This condition does respond to concerns of home-
owners and the potential impact of the oil resource use on adjoin-
ing residential area.
Condition No. 10 - This condition also responds to homeowners'
concerns on the impact on residential area.
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Slates, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Shea
ABSENT: None
There was a discussion on the recommendation by the Board of
Zoning Adjustments to study the possible rezoning of the approximate
38 acre base industrial zone (M2) of this oil operation site. Possible
future rezoning of the property should not remove the 0-2 designation
under which the oil facilities are currently operating.
ON MOTION BY KERINS AND SECOND BY FINLEY THE STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO
STUDY THE POSSIBILITY OF REZONING THE APPROXIMATE 38 ACRE BASE
INDUSTRIAL ZONE (M2) OF OIL OPERATION SITE WITHOUT REMOVING THE
0-2 DESIGNATION UNDER WHICH OIL FACILITIES ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING
BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Slates, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Shea
ABSENT: None
The Chairman called a five minute recess at 8:30 P.M.
USE PERMIT NO. 75-61 - APPEAL TO APPROVAL
APPLICANT: Business Properties
APPELLANT: Meredith Gardens Homeowners Association
Use Permit No. 75-61 is a request to permit the construction of a
125,000 sq. f t. shopping center pursuant to Section 9472 of the
Huntington Beach Ordinance Code. The property is located at the
southeast intersection of Adams and Brookhurst and is zoned C4.
At the public hearing of the Board of Zoning Adjustments at their.
November 12, 1975 meeting the plans were discussed and two rep-
resentatives from Meredith Gardens were present and questioned
aspects of the project. Mr. Ball, representing Business Properties,
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explained that the economic constraints were such that it made it
extremely difficult to develop the total parcel all at once. The
Board of Zoning Adjustments then conditionally approved Use Permit
No. 75-61.
A photograph of the site was presented on the screen.
John Cope stated he had no information to add to the Staff Report.
He discussed the'JHK'traffic study made in 1974.
There was a lengthy aiscuss'ion'' ori''traffic 'at Harbor and Adams among
Commission and Staff concerning inconsistences in traffic reports.
There was further discussion on excess commercial zoning in the City
in some areas.
Chairman Slates opened the public hearing.
Bob Riedesel, representing Meredi'th'Gardens Homeowners Association,
addressed the Commission and stated that his objections were based
on the fact that the approved plan was not a total plan. He stated
that approximately'4'6f the'16+ acres are being reserved for future
development which'land locks it. He stated that they did not want
apartments in the area. It was also of concern to Mr. Riedesel that
Albertson's, the largest tenant, has a policy of staying open 24,
hours per day which he'felt would have a detrimental effect on property
owners in the Meredith Gardens area. He also discussed the appre-
hension that a speedway could occur without proper planning or possible
use of speed bumps.. He also felt that a 10 foot median divider should
be provided on both sides of the property.
Mr. Leon Alta discussed the present traffic problems at this inter-
section and the creation of additional traffic which would be
generated from this development.
Mr. Ted Denny inquired about underground utilities and was advised
that some utility poles will have to remain but those backing on to
residential areas will be'underground.
Mr. Dale Menke addressed the Commission and stated that he was in
agreement with Mr. Riedesel on all issues except the request that
10 feet of landscaped median be provided. It was his feeling that
at least 20 feet should be'provided.
Mr. Holland Robinson stated that he was not opposed to development
in that area but he agreed with the statement Commissioner Boyle
made concerning the bad traffic situation at the intersection,
particularly between 5 and 6 in the afternoon.'
Mr. Charles Ball, representing Business Properties, addressed the
Commission and stated that he had studied the property for 2 1/2
years and had discussed with the Staff during that time his develop-
ment plans. He stated that before he could develop the approximate
4 acres to be included in Phase II it would be necessary to develop
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the valuable frontage property which would place a higher value on
the 4 acres. He discussed the possibility of using this area for
a nursery operation with plants to be contained both inside and
outside. This proposed use would be retail only. He discussed
the landscaping to be provided on the rear
The public hearing was closed.
Commission discussion ensued.
ON MOTION BY SHEA AND SECOND BY KERINS APPEAL TO APPROVAL OF
USE PERMIT NO. 75-61 WAS APPROVED AND USE PERMIT NO. 75-61 WAS
DENIED FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
Partial development is not the most desirable for the property
and contributes to the detrimental effect on the adjacent
properties. Also, traffic problems are engendered by the proposed
plan as it exists.
AYES: Parkinson, Finley, Shea, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: Bazil, Slates
ABSENT: None
Commissioner Bazil stated that he did not feel the Commission had
the right to demand that the parcel be entirely developed, although
he would have preferred the 4 acre parcel to be located somewhere
else on the property. He further stated that if the streets will
not maintain the traffic the property should not have been zoned
commercial, and that it should not be denied on the basis of traffic
problems. Also he stated that the plan could be amended to reflect
different curb cuts. Also he pointed out that when the 4 acre
parcel is developed it will have to be through filing of a Use
Permit which the Planning Commission will have the opportunity
to review and approve or disapprove.
Commissioner Kerins stated that perhaps the applicant, Charles Ball,
could revise the plans and bring back to the Commission at their
January 6, 1975 meeting and request reconsideration at that time.
Commissioner Finley expressed concern of probable excess of com-
mercial zoning in the City.
ZONE CASE NO. 75-10
APPLICANT: Allen Klingensmith and James Lange
Zone Change No. 75-10 is a request for a change of zone from R2
(Medium Density Residential) to C4 (Highway Commercial). The
subject property is intended to be utilized in conjunction with
existing commercial properties to the east. It is located on the
north side of Ronald Road and is the second lot west of Beach
Boulevard.
John Cope stated that the Staff is in agreement with the proposed
rezoning and believes it will result in the best use of the sub-
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ject site. He recommended that the Planning Commission approve the
Zone Change and recommended that the second reading of the Ordinance
be held up until the Zone Change can be processed.
The Chairman opened the public hearing. Mr. Klingensmith expressed
appreciation for Staff's recommendations for saving time on the
Zone Change.
The public hearing was closed.
ON MOTION BY BAZIL AND SECOND BY PARKINSON ZONE CHANGE NO. 75-10 WAS.
APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
1. The close proximity of the subject site to the high traffic volume
state highway indicates that the parcel's best use would be
commercial versus residential.
2. The orientation of the subject site to the commercial properties
to the east will provide for additional commercial development
alternatives resulting in the highest and best use of the properties.
3. The General Plan designation on the site is an area providing
transition from residential to commercial land uses, and since
commercial related uses have been determined as the most
appropriate for the,site, the request is in conformance with
the General Plan.
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil,`Finley, Slates,.Shea, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.NO. 74-18
Applicant: James C. Nye
This is a request for a one year extension of time subject to the
previous conditions of approval imposed on this application.
ON MOTION BY PARKINSON AND SECOND BY BOYLE THE REQUEST FOR A ONE
YEAR EXTENSION OF TIME ON CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 74-18 WAS
APPROVED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Slates, Shea, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 75-16
Applicant: B & B Developers
The applicant requested a reconsideration in Condition No. 5 which
was imposed as one of the conditions of approval at the December 2,
1975 meeting. The basis of disagreement concerns the specific
requirement for elimination of the oil well and equipment prior to
conveyance of any of the units as condominiums.
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ON MOTION BY SLATES AND SECOND BY SHEA THE COMMISSION VOTED TO
RECONSIDER CONDITION NO. 5 OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 75-16
BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Slates, Shea, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Mr. Clemens, representing the applicant, addressed the Commission and
explained that while the applicant owned the land, the oil operation
was controlled by another person. Under their agreement there is
no way to determine how long the oil operation will continue but
that when it does cease the property will be converted to open space.
Mr. Clemens suggested that the CC&R's could contain a condition
that at such time as the oil operation is abandoned the area would
be maintained as open space.
Mr. Vaughn, representing the applicant, stated that he had a Quit
Claim Deed on the surface rights. He further stated that the oil
company has acted in good faith on their responsibility for cleaning
up any spillage and have agreed to restore anything they do which
might cause damage.
There was a discussion on changing the wording of Condition 5 and
obtain the agreement of the oil company as well as B & B Developers
on such revised Condition, which would require a continuance.
ON MOTION BY KERINS AND SECOND BY PARKINSON CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
NO. 75-16 WAS CONTINUED TO JANUARY 6, 1975 BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Slates, Shea, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MISCELLANEOUS
REQUEST BY CITY COUNCIL FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO RECONSIDER
TOWNLOT AREA ONE BOUNDARY INSOFAR AS DELETION OF BLOCK 421 IS
CONCERNED.
ON MOTION BY BOYLE AND SECOND BY SHEA THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED
TO APPROVE TOWNLOT AREA ONE AS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL
WITH NO CHANGES IN BOUNDARIES BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Slates, Shea, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Secretary Harlow and Chairman Slates will plan a dinner meeting to
honor the former Commissioner, Bill Geiger, for either December 29th
or 30th.
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ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
Bob Jarrard spoke against changing any boundaries in Townlot Area One.
He also requested that a Concept,of Approval letter be prepared by
the Planning Staff for use in getting a hearing date with the Coastal
Commission.
ON MOTION BY'FINLEY AND SECOND BY PARKINSON STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO
PREPARE LETTERS OF CONCEPT OF APPROVAL FOR APPLICANTS TO PRESENT
TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION PENDING APPROVAL OF THEIR APPLICATIONS
WITH THE CITY OF HUNTINGTON BEACH BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Slates, Shea, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS:
None
COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS:
Commissioner Kerins requested that Staff put on a Study Session Agenda
the suggested Ordinance amendments so that an Ordinance can be pre-
pared for adequate driveway widths for commercial developments.
Commissioner Parkinson requested that a review be made of commercial
and residential ratios.
BOLSA CHICA ANNEXATION
Commissioner Parkinson discussed the proposed Bolsa Chica Annexation
and the City Council formation of an Ad Hoc Committee on the pro-
posal. It was then the consensus of the Commission to reaffirm
their majority recommendation on'the annexation.
ON MOTION BY PARKINSON AND SECOND BY BOYLE COMMISSIONER FINLEY WAS
APPOINTED TO REPRESENT THE COMMISSION IN WORKING_WITH STAFF ON
DRAFTING A TRANSMITTAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDING THAT TIIE AD HOC
COMMITTEE -NOT -BE -FORMED AND -COUNCIL RESOLVE THE ISSUE ON THE BASIS OF
INPUT-ALREADY-BUSMITTED-BYJTHE"FOLLOWING-VOTE:
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Slates, Shea, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
STAFF'S COMMENTS:
Andy Vanderlaan introduced Mel Ott, Fire Department representative,
announcing that he would be representing the Fire Department at
Planning Commission meetings effective in January, 1976 when
Mr. Vanderlaan terminates his employment with the City..
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Secretary Harlow reviewed the action of City Council meeting
of December 15, 1975.
ON MOTION BY SHEA AND SECOND BY KERINS THE MEETING ADJOURNED
AT 11:20 BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
AYES: Parkinson, Bazil, Finley, Slates, Shea, Boyle, Kerins
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Richard A. Harlow Ro—ger D Slates
Secretary Chairman
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