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MINUTES
Council Chamber, Civic Center
Huntington Beach, California
Monday, January 9, 197$
A tape recording of this meeting is
on file in the City Clerk's Office.
Mayor Pattinson called the adjourned regular meeting of the City Council of
the City of Huntington Beach to order at 7:00 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present: Bartlett, Coen, Siebert, Shenkman, Pattinson
(Gibbs arrived at 7s15 P.M. - Wiedsr arrived at 700 P.M.)
Absents None
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Councilman Shenkman.
PUBLIC HEARING - PROPOSED CITY CHARTER REVISIONS -_ MINUEs,t124�1477
Mayor Pattinson announced that this was the day and hour set for the continuance
of a public hearing held on Decembe; 21, 1977, to consider the revision of the
City Charter of the City of Huntington Beach, as proposed by the ChaxtAw Revision
Committee.
The City Clerk informed Council that all legal requirements for publication and
posting had been met and that she had received no communications or written
protests to the matter.
Mark Porter, Home Council, addressed Council and distributed a survey which was
circulated among the aaeapbership of Hoare Council earlier in the year. The survey
was intended to provide information not only to the Charter Hevihian C mmittee
but also to their delegate, Toms Livengood, who was appointed by the Council to
the Charter Revision Committee.
Mr. Porter stated that Home Council had some comments and suggestions for revision
of the Charter. He elaborated on the suggested revisions, and concluded by thanking
Council for giving.Homae Council the opportunity of presenting input .since they
were unable to attend the December 21, 1977 public hearing. Mayor yattimm
ccassended the Home Council for their efforts =6 U t on the prsad Owter
Revisions.
Hen 8orooman, City, thanked council for giving hurt the opp ftwity to A"O am
suggested . that,_upon looking at the large volume of material 40At#;irad iA tho
recommendations there is too much to be as" lasted in ot4w to VOU iraiellifeHtly
on the revision. He suggested. that a limit of ,ems faw to six o** the pW=our►t
issues be submitted. at the next election and that the OtbW Usues the ftV90t
at subsequent elections.. In his opinion, the Charter 9PUM be x*JOOt4d mt of
hand because. of the volume and he stated that ho poroonally W Not Vote AW thn
entire Charter in toto. He was o morn" that the Wised XOV
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made available to the public before the election in order to give them the opportunity
to study it. Mr. Borcoman stated that he was in favor off -a full time Mayor.
Councilwoman Wieder believed Mr. Borcoman had a good point i.n.suggesting that Charter
Revisions be made available to the public and requested that the City Administrator
make copies available at various public places.
Mayor Pattinson concurred with the suggestion that the Charter Revisions be made
available to the public but believed there was•a great deal of work to be done on
it before it be submitted to the public.
Max Hall addressed Council and stated that he believed that too many riders get into
a 'package deal'. He was not in favor of the City Administrator, the City Attorney
or the City Treasurer's positions being elected. However, he was in favor of the
City Council being elected and suggested that this be done by districts, giving his
reasons for change.
Mayor Pattinson commented that the City had never had an elected City Administrator.
Gordon Offstein, City, commented on the hard work which had gone into the revision
of the Charter but stated that there were some items incorporated therein which he
could not accept, and for this reasont-he would be obliged to vote against the entire
Charter.
Phyllis Sariego, President of the League of Women Voters and member of the Charter
Revision Committee, addressed Council and stated that the League had not had the
opportunity to go through the Charter since they believed the City Council should
first make their recommendations and they would review the revised Charter when it
is published in its final form. She stated that the League was concerned that the
City Charter be clear and not ambiguous; that the Charter give clear responsibility
and define lines of responsibility; they were concerned that the City Council be given
mare flexibility. Mrs. Sariego stated that these were matters with which the League
of Women Voters had been concerned for a'number.Wof years.
Mrs. Sariego stated.that.the League was concerned that the office of City Treasurer
be clearly defined and not in conflict with that of the Finance Director. The League
also recommended citizens' participation.
John O'Connor addressed Council and stated that he had been the Chairman of the Manage-
ment Employees Organization Charter Committee but that he was now speaking in an in-
dividual capacity as a resident of the City. He commended the Charter Revision Committee
on doing a good job which was a well balanced, dedicated, conscientious and a very
thorough analysis of the City Charter. However, Mr. O'Connor stated that there were -
one or two suggestions which were nbt incorporated in the final version.
Mr. O'Connor was in favor of the City Comptrbller's position remaining but suggested
that it be made appointive, rather than elective. He believed the elected City
Attorney should appear on the-ballot=as a separate item, whether appointive or elec-
tive, and stated that in his opiniion= the` City-�Attorney's position was basically a
staff position and had a fiduciary obligation to 'the City Cdunoil; the only one of
the eleven department heads-%0ho_`haK this responsibilityp and he should serve at the 4,
pleasure of the City Council:' insofar as the other positions are concerned, Mr.
O'Connor continued, they sl ild 41, igo appear ' on-- the ballot as separate items and allow
voters the choice of elected_36r�'Appointed.
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Mr. O'Connor stated that the very minimal control and responsibility that the
City Council now has over the elected officials remains in the 'purse strings'
and to remove that would be removing the last vestige of control that they have
and to invest it in the Personnel Board would, in his opinion, be ludicrous.
Mr. O'Connor gave reasons for his opinion.
Don MacAllister, resident, addressed Council and.recommended that several items
be put on the•ballot in order that people can vote•on the items they feel strongly
about. If this is not done, Mr. MacAllister believes the proposed Charter may
be defeated.
HEARING CLOSED
There being no one further present to speak on the natter, and there being no
protests filed, either oral or written, the hearing was closed by the Mayor.
Councilwoman Wieder asked the City -Administrator if it would be possible to have
staff collate the testimony and give Council a summation of the public comments,
with perhaps a tally showing the issues most frequently addressed.
RECESS - RECONVENE
Mayor Pattinson called a recess of Council at 7:30 P.M. The meeting was reconvened
in Room B-8 at 8:05 P.M.
Mayor Pattinson reconvened the meeting for the purpose of reviewing the Charter
to'decide how the Charter -revisions were going to be put on the ballot. He stated
that Council would determine how many parts it would be divided into and urged
�r Council to give their individual input on the issues
Councilman Shenkman stated that he was opposed to putting the Charter revisions on
the ballot mainly because he was opposed to several items in the proposed Charter
revisions. He suggested that Council refrain from putting too many items on the
ballot since he believes the voters will not pay proper attention to them.
Councilman Shenkman suggested that Council determine a few priorities and place
them on the ballot so that proper emphasis, positive and negative, can be emphasized.
He suggested that in order to decide which items were of the most importance,
the system used by Council for appointing members to boards and commissions could
be -utilized; each Council member writes down their top four or five priorities and
the ones mentioned the most frequently be put on the ballot.
Councilman Siebert concurred with the suggestion made by Councilman ShenkmAn but
believed that Council should then set that procedure aside and go through the
entire Charter before deciding on the priorities= the priorities would conceivably
change upon Council action and the entire Charter should be reviewed before
studying the Charter Revision Committee's recommendations.
Councilwoman Wieder inquired as to what would happen to,the rest of the recoommtended
changes which would not be placed on the ballot. Councilman Shenkman stated that
the Council would manse the recommendations as to the revisions to be -made and the
ones placed on the ballot would be those agreed upon by Council as a unanimous
body. It was determined that the other -items not placed on the ballot would be
dealt with separately and discussion was held between. Council as to the method.
by which Councll's suggestions could be implemented.
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Councilman Bartlett stated that he was in favor of some of the items being put on
the April ballot and some in June and believed that if too many were put on at the
same time, voters would vote negatively. He was in favor of Council polling them-
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selves as to the most important items to be placed on the ballot.
Mayor Pattinson stated that he concurred with the various suggestions made by Council
on the matter. He was of the opinion that the most controversial item on the Charter
revisions was the elected officials vs. the appointed officials and suggested that
these be put on the ballot as a separate item; the 'housekeeping' items could then
be considered.
Councilwoman Wieder stated that she would be opposed to deciding Charter revision
recommendations on the ballot at two different elections As one change impacts another.
Administrative -Aide, Jeri Chenelle, addressed Council and stated that several types
of -categories were followed during the process; first the items suggested for revision
were categorized according to how easy they were to deal with. They were then cate-
gorized again in the final form, according to the model charter submitted. Items
which were believed important to the function of the City were pulled out and some
items which were not considered at all, which the Committee thought should be, were
inserted. She stated that there were no 'easy' categories, and in her opinion the entire
Charter would have to be gone through.
Councilwoman Gibbs stated that basically she did not disagree with anything which had
been said on the matter but that there is no way she could vote upon it as it now
stands; some items would have to be dealt with singularly. Discussion was held be-
tween Council as to how the Charter revisions would be broken down. Several sugges-
tions were made by Councilwoman Wieder. Councilwoman Gibbs stated that her first
priority would be the office of the City Attorney, which she favored being appointive
rather than elective. Councilman Coen stated that he concurred with what had been
said on the matter.
REVIEW.OF CITY CHARTER BY CITY COUNCIL
ARTICLE I - Section 100 - Name
No comments.
ARTICLE I - INCORPORATION AND POWERS.OF THE CITY- Section 101 -Seal
Councilman Siebert inquired as to what the official Seal of the City consisted of,
to which the City Clerk responded. He stated that he was concerned that private
businesses were supported by the City in using the Huntington Beach logo, and suggested
that the City have an official seal and logo with restrictive use of the logo under
control of the City. Councilwoman Wieder stated that the City of Los Angeles has an
ordinance which states that the official City Seal could only be used with discrimina-
tion. Mayor Pattinson inquired whether the matter could be handled at another time.
Councilman Coen stated that in the past the City had encouraged the use of the logo
and would only want to control the illegitimate use of it.
ARTICLE I - Section 102 - Boundaries, 103 - Powers of the City# 104 - Construction
and 105 - Intergovernmental Relations
No discussion.
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ARTICLE II - FORM OF GOVERNMENT - Section 200 - Council-Administra r Form
of Government
Councilman Coen pointed out to Council that's citizens and members of the
Council had requested a full-time Mayor. Councilwastan Kieder stated that
the Charter Revision Committee had not been favorable to the suggestion.
However, she agreed with many of the arguments brought before Council by Ben
Borcoman in favor of a full-time Mayor. Councilwoman Wleder elaborated on
the advantages of a full-time Mayor.
STRAW VOTE - FULL TIME MAYOR - DEFEATED
Mayor Pattinson announced that a straw`vote'would be taken in favor of a full
time Mayor.
AYES: Wieder
NOES: Bartlett, Coen, Gibbs, Siebert, Shenkman, Pattinson
ABSENT:- None
ARTICLE III - ELECTIVE OFFICES - Section 300 - Elective Offices
Council agreed to come back to Section 300 in order that the matter might be
discussed together with the position of the City Clerk.
ARTICLE III - ELECTIVE OFFICES - Section 301 (a) - Composition, Section
301 (b) Eli ibilit
No discussion
ARTICLE III - ELECTIVE OFFICES - Section 301 (c) - Election and Terms
Councilman Siebert stated that he was in favor"of abolishing the proposed two
term limit for Council members. He believes that if the public wants someone to
serve additional terms, the Charter should not prevent him from doing so.
Councilman Shenkman stated that he could not argue with the reasoning given
by Councilman Siebert and believed that as many people as possible be given
the opportunity of becoming involved and be given the choice to vote on the
revisions. However, in his opinion, eight years is a long time to serve on
the Council and while it offered some degree of security, there is a degree
of apathy and perhaps a lack of initiative and desire to serve. He suggest-
ed a limitation of two consecutive terms.
Mayor Pattinson stated that in his opinion, it should be left up to the people
of.the City to elect who whey want and was against leaving this condition in
the proposed Charter.
Councilwoman Gibbs stated that she concurred with Councilman Shenkman, and
Council should share the honor of being a decision -making position. She
believed that two terms is enough to serve, and that is was healthier and
better for the City.
Councilman Coen believed that Council should weigh how the Charter Revision
Committee voted on the matter, since their decision was unanimous. He also
believed that the people should have a choice and that it should be placed on
the ballot. Councilman Bartlett believed that citizens should be given the
opportunity to vote on the Charter revisions.
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STRAW VOTE - TWO TERM LIMITATION - TO BE PLACED SEPARATELY ON THE BALLOT _-ATPTMVED --"-
Mayor Pattinson announced that a straw vote would be taken in favor of putting Section
301 (c) - Two Term Limitation on the ballot as a separate issue.
AYES: Bartlett, Wieder, Coen, Gibbs, Siebert, Shenkman, Pattinson
NOVS : Bone
ABSENT: None
ARTICLE III - ELECTIVE OFFICES -Section 302 - Powers Vested in City Council
I No discussion
ARTICLE III - ELECTIVE OFFICES - Section 303 - Compensation and Expenses
Disucssion was held on the matter between Councilmen Shenkman and Coen, together with
Harold Bauman, Charter Revision Committee Chairman. Councilman Shenkman referred to
Item (b) - Population - Over 200,000 to and including 250,000 - $500 monthly Council
salary. He stated that he would like to see Item (c) - over 250,000 - $600 taken
out of the revised Charter.
Councilman Siebert referred to a City Council reimbursement clause under the same
Section, which he found to be loose.. Discussion was held on the matter.
STRAW VOTE - COMPENSATION AND EXPENSES - TO BE PLACED SEPARATELY ON THE BALLOT - APPROVED
Mayor Pattinson announced that a straw vote would be taken on the matter in favor of
having Item 303 as a separate item on the ballot.
AYES: Bartlett, Wieder, Coen, Gibbs, Siebert, Shenkman, Pattinson
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Councilwoman Wieder was of the opinion that if Council members are to receive more
compensation it would impose the responsibility of Council members giving more time to
the City. Councilman Siebert stated that Council was always willing to give more
time when the need exists but would not like to see it locked into the Charter.
Section 304 - Meetings and Locations - Part (b)
Discussion was held between Mayor. Pattinson and Councilman Coen regarding the last
sentence in Part (b) which stated '.'In the event of.an emergency affecting the public
peace, health or safety, a special meeting may be called as provided in this section
with less than twenty-four hours written notice, provided that the nature of the
emergency is set forth in the minutes of the meeting".
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It was agreed that "the Mayor or Mayor Tempore" should he specfied:therein: — -
Section 304 - Meetings and Locations - Parts (c) and (d)
No discussion
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ARTICLE III - ELECTIVE OFFICES - Section 305 - Quorums, Proceedings and Rules
of Order- Section (a) ^T
Discussion was held regarding the last sentence of Section (a) which reads -
"The City Clerk shall cause written notice of a meeting adjourned by less than a
quorum or by the City Clerk to be delivered personally or by mail to each Council
member at least twenty-four hours before the time to which the meeting is adjourned,
or such notice may be dispensed with in the same manner as specified in this Charter
for dispensing with notice of special meetings of the City Council". Discussion
was held regarding special meetings and the qualification of a special meeting.
Section 305 - Meetings and Locations - Part_.(b) - Proceedings
No discussion
Section 305 - Meetings and Locations - Part (c) - Rules of Order
Discussion was held regarding the wording of the Rules of Order and Councilman
Coen suggested that the word "shall" be substitute in lieu of "may", which
would thereby read as follows: "The City Council shall establish rules for the
conduct of its proceedings and evict or prosecute any member or other person for
disorderly conduct at any of its meetings".
STRAW VOTE - IN FAVOR OF WORD CHANGE
Mayor Pattinson announced that a straw vote would be taken on the matter in favor
of the change from "may" to "shall" in the wording.
AYES: Bartlett, Coen, Siebert, Shenkman
NOES. Wieder, Gibbs, Pattinson
ABSENT: None
Section 306 - Presiding Officer and Section 307 - Mayor Pro-Tempore
No discussion.
Section 308 - Mon -Interference with Administration
Councilman Siebert stated that the same wording was in this section as in the
old Charter and he believed the City Council should have a greater authority
over what goes on in the City.. He stated that the words "non-interference with
Administration" came up at a previousdiscussion with Council and inquired what
exactly it means. Councilman Siebert believed that this section precluded any
member of Council from interfering in the duties the City Administrator is
involved with. The wording "no member" of the City Council shall interfere,
he stated, gives him the impression that it infers no member of the City Council
also as a "collective body", with which he does not concur. Councilman Siebert
believes that for good management, the City Council has the right to step into
the affairs of the administration of, the City if the matter is of significant
importance. He suggested that a sentence be added at the ,end of the section saying
"does not preclude action of the City Council". Mayor Pattinson suggested that
following the wording "Except as otherwise provided in this Charter", the wording
be changed to "no 'individual member of the City Council" shall order,..........
Discussion was held between Council on the implementation of the wording'in this
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A motion was wady W Siebert, seconded by Wieder, that following the wording "Except
as otherwise provided in this Charter, no member of the City Council", the words
"but not precluding the majority action of the City Council" be added. Further dis-
cussion was held on the matter and Councilwoman Wieder gave reasons for supporting
the implementation of the wording, following which a straw vote was taken in support of
the motionz
AYES: Bartlett, Wieder, Coen, Gibbs, Siebert, Shenkman, Pattinson
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Section 309 - Official Bonds
No discussion was held on the matter.
Section 310 - Citz Attorney - Com sition Eligibility,Election and Terms
Councilman Shenkman stated that he concurred with the suggestions made by Mark Porter
to Council at the public hearing on the matter; that he was in favor of an appointive
City Attorney.
STRAW VOTE - CITY ATTORNEY - SECTION 310 (A)- COMPOSITION - TO BE PLACED SEPARATELY ON
THE BALLOT w APPROVED
Mayor Pattinson announced that a straw vote would be taken on the matter in favor of
having Section 310 City Attorney - Election and Terms placed on the ballot as a
separate item:
AYES: Bartlett, Wieder, Coen, Gibbs, Siebert, Shenkman, Pattinson
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Considerable discussion was held between Council on the matter.
Section 311 - City_ Attorney - Powers and Duties
Councilman Coen suggested that the word "power".be replaced with that of "responsibility"
in Section 311 which would read "The City Attorney shall have the "responsibility"
and may be required to ...."
STRAW VOTE - CHANGE OF•WORDING FROM "POWER TO "RESPONSIBILITY" - APPROVED
Mayor Pattinson announced that a straw vote would be taken in order to change the word
"power', -to "responsibility":
AYES: Bartlett, Wieder, Coen, Gibbs, Siebert, Shenkman, Pattinson
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
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Councilman Coen suggested that the paragraph following Section (i) on Page C-18
of the current Charter which reads "The City Council shall have con o _ --
.of all legal business and proceedings and all property of the legal department,
and may employ other attorneys to take charge of or may contract for any prose-
cutions, litigation or other legal matters or business." be added as Item (j) to
Page C-9 of the proposed Charter. However, the matter was clarified when it was
determined that said section appears in the proposed Charter as.the last sentence
of Section 305 (b) on Page C-7 of the proposed new Charter.
Section 312- �CityAttorney - Compensation
Mayor Pattinson stated that he does not believe the City Personnel Board should
have the authority to set compensation for any of the elected officials. He
pointed out that it is clearly defined in the old Charter and believed it should
be left that way.
Harold Bauman, Chairman of the Charter Revision Commission, gave reasons for the
recommendation of the Charter Revision Committee, following which discussion was
held between Council.
Council agreed to omit Section 312.
Jeri Chenelle, Administrative Aide, suggested that Council address the matter of
compensation at this time, if only to say "Set by Council". Mayor Pattinson
directed the City Administrator to come back with more language on the matter if
staff determines that -it is needed.
STRAW VOTE - REMOVAL OF SECTIONS 313 314 and 315 PERTAINING TO THE CITY COMPTROLLER
FROM THE REVISED CHARTER - APPROVED
Mayor Pattinson announced that a straw vote would be taken to remove Sections 313,
314 and 315 regarding the City Comptroller from the proposed revised Charter:
AYES: Bartlett, Wieder, Coen, Gibbs, Siebert, Shenkman, Pattinson
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Mayor Pattinson requested direction from staff with regard to the City Treasurer;
as an elected official vs. an appointed official, his duties, salary, etc.
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ADJOURNMENT
On motion by Pattinson, second Wieder, the adjourned regular meeting of the City
Council of the City of Huntington Beach adjourned at 9:35 P.M. to Monday, January
16, 1978 at 6:30 P.M. ..r
ATTEST:
LM
City Clerk
City Clerk and ex-officio Clerk
of the City Council of the City
of Yuntington Beach, California
Ronald R. Pattinson
Mayor
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