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HomeMy WebLinkAboutHBPD PSU FD2021-0002 Richard Jamison 01-04-22 jl_RedactedHUNTINGTON BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERVIEW OF: OFFICER RICHARD JAMISON INTERVIEW BY: SERGEANT SHAWN WHITE SERGEANT BRIAN JONES CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 DR NO: 2021-016624 DATE: 01-04-22 TAPE: FD2021-0002_Interview with Richard Jamison TRANSCRIBED BY: FILE NO.: HBPD PSU FD2021-0002 Richard Jamison 01-04-22 jl CRON & ASSOCIATES TRANSCRIPTION 10352 MIRALAGO PLACE SANTA ANA, CALIFORNIA 92705 (714) 573-7172 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 2 SERGEANT WHITE: All right. We're live. All right. We're 1 here today on January 4th, 2022 with Officer Richard Jamison. 2 This is regarding an officer involved shooting investigation 3 documented under our Professional Standards Unit number FD 4 number 2021-0002. The date of this interview is today the 4th of 5 January, 2022. The time is 10:20 a.m. The location of the 6 interview is the office of the Professional Standards Unit. The 7 investigation is under the direction and command of Captain Ryan 8 Reilly. Present in this room is Officer Richard Jamison; his 9 representative, Attorney Sergeant Brian Jones of 10 the Professional Standards Unit, and myself, Sergeant Shawn 11 White of the Professional Standards Unit. The investigation is 12 concerning the officer involved shooting. Richard, you have the 13 right to have one representative of your choice present during 14 this interview and you've chosen Is that 15 correct? OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 16 SERGEANT WHITE: All right. You also have the right to 17 make your own tape recording of this interview. Richard, you 18 have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used 19 against you in court. You have the right to an attorney before 20 and during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney one 21 will be appointed for you before questioning if you wish. Do 22 you understand each of these rights that I have explained to 23 you? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 3 SERGEANT WHITE: Will you provide a voluntary statement? 1 ATTORNEY : As your attorney I advise you not to 2 waive your rights. You should say no. 3 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: All right, Richard. Well, you have the 5 right to remain silent with regard to any criminal investigation 6 you do not have the right to refuse to answer our administrative 7 investigation questions. This is an administrative 8 investigation. I am, therefore, now ordering you to discuss 9 this matter with me. If you refuse to discuss this matter your 10 silence can be deem insubordination and result in administrative 11 discipline up to and including termination. Any statement you 12 make under compulsion of the threat of such discipline cannot be 13 used against you in a later criminal proceeding. Richard, I'm 14 ordering you to answer any and all questions asked of you in a 15 truthful and accurate manner. Failure to do so may be deemed 16 insubordination and result in administrative discipline up to 17 and including termination of your employment with the City of 18 Huntington Beach. Do you understand what I have just explained 19 to you? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: If you can sign on the "subject" line. 22 I'll sign on the "interviewer" line right next to you. Okay. 23 All right. So just for the record, this was documented under DR 24 number 2021-016624. That's the Huntington Beach Police 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 4 Department report number. Richard, can you tell me what your 1 present assignment is with the City of Huntington Beach? 2 OFFICER JAMISON: I work patrol. 3 SERGEANT WHITE: And how long have you been employed as a 4 police officer with the City of Huntington Beach? 5 OFFICER JAMISON: Since October of 2020. 6 SERGEANT WHITE: And have you worked for any other 7 agencies -- 8 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 9 SERGEANT WHITE: -- prior to? 10 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: What agency did you work for? 12 OFFICER JAMISON: L.A. School Police. 13 SERGEANT WHITE: And how long did you work for that agency? 14 OFFICER JAMISON: I think it was like nineteen years and 15 change. Cumulatively it's between the two agencies it's going 16 to be twenty years and almost four months -- so -- three. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And with your current assignment at 18 the Huntington Beach Police Department have you worked any other 19 assignments besides patrol? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: I work auxiliary H.T.F. And periodically 21 I do OT at shifts. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And the H.T.F. is the Homeless Task 23 Force? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 5 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. The day of the officer involved 1 shooting was December 27th, 2021. Thinking back to that date and 2 24 hours prior to that did you consume any alcohol? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: Did you use any medications or any drugs? 5 OFFICER JAMISON: I -- 6 ATTORNEY : And I'm going to object. As the 7 medication he takes is confidential and HIPAA Medical Privacy 8 Act. 9 SERGEANT WHITE: Did you take any supplements or anything 10 over the counter? 11 OFFICER JAMISON: Magnesium. 12 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. That shift that you worked that day 13 was that a regular scheduled shift or was that an overtime 14 shift? OFFICER JAMISON: Regular. 15 ATTORNEY : On the 27th? 16 SERGEANT WHITE: Yes. 17 OFFICER JAMISON: Regular. 18 SERGEANT WHITE: A regular shift. Do you remember what 19 time you started that shift? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: 0605 in the morning. So -- 21 SERGEANT WHITE: And that regular schedule shift watch 22 patrol? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: And what are your typical work days with 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 6 that -- that assignment? 1 OFFICER JAMISON: Typical -- meaning what I encounter or -- 2 SERGEANT WHITE: What days. No. I'm sorry. 3 OFFICER JAMISON: Oh. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: What days do you normally work? 5 OFFICER JAMISON: Oh, got you. Sorry. So on that -- on my 6 current schedule I work Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and every 7 other Friday. 8 SERGEANT WHITE: And did you work the day prior to the 9 officer involved shooting? 10 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: Was that a regular scheduled shift or an 12 overtime shift? 13 OFFICER JAMISON: Regular. 14 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you recall did you work your regular 15 hours that day? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: Did you work any overtime? 18 OFFICER JAMISON: The day prior, no. 19 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And what time did you get off that 20 shift the day prior? 21 OFFICER JAMISON: I got off on time. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: Which is 5:30? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: 5:30. 1730. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And then prior to your officer 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 7 involved shooting do you remember the last time you ate any -- 1 any food? 2 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 3 SERGEANT WHITE: What time was that at approximately? 4 OFFICER JAMISON: It was early in the morning. Probably 5 during the seven o'clock hour. 6 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And do you recall what you had to 7 eat? 8 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 9 SERGEANT WHITE: Can you describe it? 10 OFFICER JAMISON: It was a breakfast quesadilla. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. The night prior to your shooting do 12 you recall approximately how many hours of sleep you had? 13 OFFICER JAMISON: Seven and a half. Seven. 14 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And what -- what time do you 15 typically go to bed? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: Usually 8:00. 8:00 p.m. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: And what time do you have to wake up to 18 get to work on time? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: I'll get up around 4:00. If not a little 20 before that. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. The day of the 27th -- the day of 22 your shooting -- what -- what was the uniform that you were 23 wearing that day? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: Class B uniform. So the -- the navy blue 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 8 wool uniform. Long sleeve shirt. Pants. And the department-1 issued ball cap. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you have -- does your uniform have 3 patches on both sleeves and do you wear a badge on your -- on 4 your chest? 5 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. My uniform shirt did have two 6 patches. One on each shoulder. And my metal badge was actually 7 affixed to my exterior vest. 8 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. So you wear an external vest? A 9 load bearing vest? 10 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: And the uniform that you were wearing that 12 day is that the same uniform that the Orange County Sheriff's 13 Department Crime Lab photographed you in? 14 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: Was the equipment and everything on that 16 uniform affixed in the exact positions during those photographs 17 that it was at the time of your officer involved shooting? 18 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 19 SERGEANT WHITE: Nothing was changed or amend -- to your -- 20 to your knowledge? 21 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: What -- what -- what type of duty weapon 23 do you carry? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: The department-issued Glock 17, which is 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 9 9 millimeter. 1 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And do you carry that in a -- a 2 holster on your right or left hip? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: Right hip. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: Is it just a standard holster affixed to 5 your -- your gun belt or is it like a drop down holster? 6 OFFICER JAMISON: It's a standard holster on my Sam Browne. 7 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And about do you know how many 8 magazines you carry on your person? 9 OFFICER JAMISON: I carry a total of four. 10 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Can you tell me where those are at? 11 OFFICER JAMISON: So actually, I guess, including the one 12 in the firearm it would be five. So one magazine inside of the 13 firearm in the magazine well. Two inside of a magazine pouch on 14 my Sam Browne. And then another two up on my external vest. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And do you know the capacity of 16 each of the magazines? 17 OFFICER JAMISON: 17 rounds. 18 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. So and then the one in your gun 19 would that have 17 rounds plus an additional one in the chamber? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Do you know by chance what type of 22 ammunition you carry? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Whatever they give me at the range. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. It's department-issued ammunition? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 10 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. Yeah. 1 SERGEANT WHITE: And prior to going into service that day 2 did you check our weapon? As like a press check or anything 3 like that? 4 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 5 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Was it just in your -- your holster 6 as you would normally carry it and kept in your locker? 7 OFFICER JAMISON: It -- it was in my holster as I normally 8 carry it. Prior to -- well, at the end of my shift I -- I take 9 it out of my Sam Browne holster and I put that in a -- in 10 another holster and then that goes inside of a bag which travels 11 with me to my home. 12 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. The magazines that you carry on 13 your vest and on your -- your person those all kept fully 14 loaded? 15 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 16 SERGEANT WHITE: So each of those magazines would have 17 17 rounds -- 18 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 19 SERGEANT WHITE: -- full capacity. Do you carry a backup 20 weapon? 21 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you carry -- do you carry a taser? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Was the weapon that you provided to the 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 11 Orange County Sheriff's Department the same weapon that you used 1 in your -- in your shooting? 2 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 3 ATTORNEY : Going back to the magazines real -- 4 you're just asking him of generally or were they topped off all 5 on -- on this day? 6 SERGEANT WHITE: Asking if -- if he typically carries them 7 topped off and if he knew -- 8 ATTORNEY : Okay. 9 SERGEANT WHITE: -- if they were topped off that day. Do 10 you carry any other weapons on your -- on your belt or on your 11 vest such as an Asp? A baton? Pepper spray? Anything of the 12 sort? 13 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 14 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 15 ATTORNEY : Sorry. Because the crime lab showed 16 when they took out the magazines one of them wasn't fully loaded 17 so -- 18 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Not a problem. And -- and as far 19 as you know though you'll -- you'll load those magazines to full 20 capacity? 21 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: If one was missing a -- a -- a round it 23 wasn't to your knowledge at that time? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 12 SERGEANT JONES: Can I ask something? 1 SERGEANT WHITE: Yeah. 2 SERGEANT JONES: The magazine that wasn't fully loaded was 3 it the magazine that was seated in the gun at the time of the 4 shooting or is that one that was kept on your belt or external 5 vest? 6 OFFICER JAMISON: I believe that was one that was kept on 7 my belt. 8 SERGEANT JONES: Okay. 9 OFFICER JAMISON: When -- when they did the count. 10 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you carry a department-issued tape 11 recorder? A body worn camera? 12 OFFICER JAMISON: A body worn camera. 13 SERGEANT WHITE: And at the time of your officer involved 14 shooting was it turned on? 15 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 16 SERGEANT WHITE: And it was activated; correct? 17 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 18 SERGEANT WHITE: Did you activate that prior to or during 19 or after this shooting? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: Prior to. So immediately when the call 21 was changed from PCH. I think it was PCH and 7th to Sunset 22 Beach, which is my beat. Obviously I responded Code 3 and 23 that's -- I immediately activated it. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Do you remember what unit you were 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 13 assigned that day? 1 OFFICER JAMISON: 8 Charlie. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: As far as the patrol car -- 3 OFFICER JAMISON: Oh, the vehicle. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: -- number? 5 OFFICER JAMISON: It was 84 something. 6 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. But your call sign was 8 Charlie? 7 8 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 9 SERGEANT WHITE: And 89 Charlie is that a one officer or a 10 two officer unit? 11 OFFICER JAMISON: One. 12 SERGEANT WHITE: And so you were working by yourself that 13 day. And is that your typical assignment that -- as the 8 car? 14 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: And in your -- in your vehicle do you 16 carry any other weapons such as a rifle or a shotgun? Any other 17 less lethal -- less than lethal weapons? 18 OFFICER JAMISON: I think that day I had a pepper ball gun. 19 I believe I was issued that. Like I'm pretty sure. 20 SERGEANT WHITE: All right. Now to get into the actual 21 incident on December 27th. Do you recall what time that call was 22 dispatched out? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Shortly after noon. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. If I told you according to the CAD 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 14 records that it was 12:22 would that sound accurate? 1 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Do you remember what the original 3 call for service was? 4 OFFICER JAMISON: It was a 245(j). So shots fired. 5 Assault with a deadly weapon just occurred. 6 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Do you remember initially where 7 that call was -- that incident allegedly occurred or was 8 broadcasted? OFFICER JAMISON: PCH and 7th in the city of 9 Huntington Beach. 10 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Which would have been like -- 11 OFFICER JAMISON: In -- 12 SERGEANT WHITE: -- the downtown area? 13 OFFICER JAMISON: The southern section. Correct. 14 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And then ultimately was it 15 determined that it was actually in the Seal Beach -- Sunset 16 Beach area? Excuse me. 17 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 18 SERGEANT WHITE: And was that -- was that pretty quickly 19 after the initial broadcast that they made that correction? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: I would -- if I were to estimate I would 21 say about a minute into it. Maybe. Maybe a little longer. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: When it was initially dispatched at PCH 23 and 7th and Huntington did you start responding to that? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 15 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And then once it was corrected to 1 Sunset Beach did you get dispatched or did you just start 2 responding? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: I self-initiated. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And that area is that beat 8? 5 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 6 SERGEANT WHITE: So that would have been your area -- 7 assigned area anyways; correct? 8 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 9 SERGEANT WHITE: And you had mentioned that when you 10 responded to the call you responded Code 3? 11 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 12 SERGEANT WHITE: And you initiated or activated your body 13 worn camera at that time? 14 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: Can you describe the actual radio 16 broadcast what you recall from it as far as a description of 17 what dispatch had provided to you had occurred? 18 OFFICER JAMISON: I do recall them saying that the suspect 19 was still holding a bicyclist at gunpoint and that seemed to 20 last for the duration until I actually arrived to like -- I was 21 at PCH and Warner. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: And that -- that gunman had -- had already 23 fired shots according to the -- the radio broadcast? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 16 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you know -- did it sound like there 1 were -- there were multiple callers on this incident or was it 2 like a single caller? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: Multiple callers. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: And did they mention in the radio 5 transmission any suspect description that you can recall? 6 OFFICER JAMISON: I do recall. A male Hispanic with a gray 7 sweatshirt. 8 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And did they mention whether it 9 appeared as if the suspect was alone or were there multiple 10 suspects? 11 OFFICER JAMISON: I don't recall them mentioning that. 12 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. About -- said PCH and Warner you 13 had information that the suspect was no longer like holding the 14 -- the victim at gunpoint or something to that sort? 15 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 16 SERGEANT WHITE: And what was the -- the last transmission 17 that you can recall as far as that suspect's either direction of 18 travel or activity at that point? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: The suspect is running on Pacific -- 20 actually I don't think she said on Pacific, but running towards 21 Warner now. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And what was your approach at that 23 point to locate the suspect? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: So what I did I continued on Warner over 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 17 PCH and hung a right -- a right-hand turn right behind the Jack 1 in the Box. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: And that would lead to like North Pacific? 3 4 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 5 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And then at some point you end up 6 on South Pacific; correct? 7 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 8 SERGEANT WHITE: And so -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- 9 but South Pacific is basically all southbound traffic. So you 10 would be coming northbound in southbound traffic? 11 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 12 SERGEANT WHITE: Essentially? And what was your reasoning 13 for or for taking that route? 14 OFFICER JAMISON: There was a unit -- a patrol unit -- 15 right in front of me and we arrived like simultaneously. That 16 unit went on North Pacific and I figured well, he's got that. 17 I'm going to take South Pacific in the beach side. 18 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you know who was in the unit in front 19 of you? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: All I remember it was a Chevy Tahoe. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 22 OFFICER JAMISON: I'm assuming it was Sergeant Munoz. 23 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And so that unit took northbound on 24 North Pacific and you took northbound on South Pacific? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 18 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 1 SERGEANT WHITE: And can you tell me what your observations 2 were as you continued northbound on South Pacific? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: So I think I just set the mic down, you 4 know, and I had requested dispatch re-broadcast the description 5 of the suspect and that's when he just like, I mean, pretty much 6 I had eyes on him. He popped out of the beach side. I don't 7 know where. But he popped out and -- yeah. He was on South 8 Pacific. 9 SERGEANT WHITE: And how did you know that that was your 10 suspect? 11 OFFICER JAMISON: I mean, obviously didn't know for 12 certain. He matched the description. A male Hispanic with a 13 gray hoodie. And I did see he had a gun in his hand. 14 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Do you recall what hand he was 15 carrying that gun in? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: At -- when I first saw him -- no. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And as you approached what was his 18 -- what was his actions? What -- what did you observe? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: So I observed him -- what I believe -- I 20 observed him -- he -- he took a knee in the middle of the 21 street. And his direction was focused what I believe was at the 22 other black and white -- the Chevy Tahoe -- across the way. And 23 it looked like he was preparing to shoot that way. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And where was he holding the gun at 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 19 this point? 1 OFFICER JAMISON: He's got it in his right hand. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And so is he pointing it at anybody 3 or is he holding it down to his side? 4 OFFICER JAMISON: It's -- it's aimed I would call it like 5 in an eastern direc -- across the greenbelt where the other 6 patrol vehicle would be. 7 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And your distance from the suspect 8 or to the suspect at this point? What -- what would you 9 estimate that to be? 10 OFFICER JAMISON: Probably like 25 -- 30 feet. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 12 OFFICER JAMISON: So -- 13 SERGEANT WHITE: And did you make eye contact with him up 14 to this point or did you know if he even knew you -- you were 15 approaching? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: He didn't know I was approaching. At -- 17 at this point. 18 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And -- and you are in what type of 19 a police vehicle? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: Chevy Tahoe. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: With full light bar and a marked black and 22 white unit; correct? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: But his focus is towards the other unit 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 20 that was on North Pacific? 1 OFFICER JAMISON: Uh-huh. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: At this point you see him take a knee and 3 produce or point that -- that firearm in his right arm -- hand -4 - 5 OFFICER JAMISON: Uh-huh. 6 SERGEANT WHITE: -- easterly? Like would you say it was 7 pointed towards that patrol car? Did it appear? 8 OFFICER JAMISON: In the gen -- I mean, I didn't see the 9 patrol car itself. I was more focusing on him. But it -- based 10 on the timing of us arriving simultaneously kind of paralleling 11 he would have been focused on that black and white. 12 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Did you see anybody else around him 13 at that point? 14 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: Was anybody pointing at him? Like 16 indicating that was your suspect or -- or were you completely 17 focused on him at this point? 18 OFFICER JAMISON: There was nobody else around pointing at 19 him. Flagging me down. Nothing. 20 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And so you're now about 25 to 30 21 yards you said. Now what did -- 22 OFFICER JAMISON: Feet. 23 SERGEANT WHITE: Feet. Sorry. 24 OFFICER JAMISON: Yeah. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 21 SERGEANT WHITE: Tell me what happens next. 1 OFFICER JAMISON: So I had my -- well, when I arrived my 2 light bar, you know, full Code 3. I shut off the siren. I move 3 the light bar down to two. So the forward facing red and blue 4 are on as I'm driving north on South Pacific. And I'm assuming 5 he heard my patrol car and now he looks over and sees me. And 6 he does this weird -- I mean, first off it looked like he was 7 under the influence to begin with. Of narcotics. He's -- he's 8 jerking. His body is like jerking around. And once he saw me 9 I'm assuming he heard my patrol car he rolls over, kind of 10 prones himself out in a -- like a side -- just laying flat 11 across the ground. On his side. With one arm extended out 12 towards me with the gun aimed at me. 13 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And you're still in your vehicle at 14 this time? 15 OFFICER JAMISON: I had jumped out. Well, I don't -- I 16 didn't make it all the way out, but I had thrown -- I removed my 17 firearm already with my right hand from my holster as I'm still 18 moving, but the -- the -- I don't know -- the -- 19 SERGEANT WHITE: Gears. 20 OFFICER JAMISON: Gear. Gear shift didn't go completely 21 into park and it looked like it dropped back down. So I reached 22 with my left hand and threw it back into park and this is while 23 I'm kind of assessing him. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Did you remove your firearm from 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 22 your holster immediately upon seeing him or once you began to 1 exit the vehicle? 2 OFFICER JAMISON: I was still in my car when I removed my 3 firearm. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And so he's now -- the suspect's 5 now lying on his right side? 6 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 7 SERGEANT WHITE: And he has extended his arm out to point 8 that handgun? 9 OFFICER JAMISON: I wouldn't say he's necessarily on his 10 right side. He's kind of more towards like on his back. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. But is his -- is his head like 12 faced in a south -- southern direction? 13 OFFICER JAMISON: Right -- right at me. 14 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 15 OFFICER JAMISON: Directly at me. 16 SERGEANT WHITE: And so he produces this handgun and points 17 that -- that handgun at you? Do you remember -- recall -- or 18 can you recall what the handgun looked like? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: I just saw a black -- a black handgun. 20 The slide appeared consistent with a Glock. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 22 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. Other than that I couldn't tell you 23 no more. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: And you couldn't tell whether the -- the 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 23 handgun was in -- in a firing -- I mean, like a slide lock or 1 anything like that from your position? 2 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 3 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. When he points this handgun in your 4 direction you're -- you're getting out of the vehicle. Can you 5 tell me what happens next? 6 ATTORNEY : And you're going off what he remembers; 7 right? Not what was on the video? 8 SERGEANT WHITE: Correct. 9 OFFICER JAMISON: Okay. So I have one foot outside of the 10 patrol vehicle on the ground. I don't know if the other foot 11 actually stepped. It may have been like on the little running 12 board or still inside on the floorboard of the vehicle. And I 13 give him commands. "Drop the gun." And I have my right arm 14 extended straight out holding my firearm pointed at him. You 15 know, obviously trying to give myself a little bit of cover. 16 SERGEANT WHITE: Uh-huh. 17 OFFICER JAMISON: But my arm was extended between the frame 18 of the patrol car and my open door. 19 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. About where like the -- the 20 spotlight would be on the -- 21 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: -- driver's side? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Then you mentioned you -- you gave him 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 24 commands to drop -- 1 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: -- drop the gun. Do you remember exactly 3 what you said or approximately how many commands you gave him? 4 5 OFFICER JAMISON: Several. I -- I couldn't give an -- an 6 exact amount of times. But -- 7 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you -- I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut 8 you off. 9 OFFICER JAMISON: Yeah. And after those commands he -- he 10 rai -- actually the gun raised and now I'm staring down the 11 barrel of his gun. 12 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And did he say anything to you? 13 The suspect? 14 OFFICER JAMISON: I didn't hear anything. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: Was there any other officers that were in 16 the same area or vicinity that you re -- recall? 17 OFFICER JAMISON: At that time. No. 18 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Do you know where that unit went 19 that was northbound on North Pacific? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: No idea. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: So at this point you -- you're by 22 yourself. You -- the suspect is laying on his back, but facing 23 -- his head's facing towards you and he's pointing his firearm, 24 which you described as you're looking down the barrel of his 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 25 gun? 1 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: What did you do next? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: So I fired I would say three or four 4 times single handed firing. 5 SERGEANT WHITE: Uh-huh. 6 OFFICER JAMISON: So just like holding the gun with my 7 right hand. Took a -- and -- and mind you I'm going based on 8 what I believed happened. I believed that I then took a seat 9 inside of my patrol car during that pause and then stepped back 10 out and re-engaged with him with two hands and fired more shots. 11 Because he's still -- at this point now I can see the gun like 12 jerking. Like he's firing the gun at me. And I'm still looking 13 at the barrel and I believe he was firing rounds at me. 14 SERGEANT WHITE: And you are state -- stating this based on 15 what you recall and obviously you had your body worn camera that 16 was recording at the same time. And have you had a chance to 17 review that body worn camera -- 18 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 19 SERGEANT WHITE: -- since this -- this incident? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: Did you notice anything in the video that 22 was different than your recollection of the events? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: And what -- can you describe to me what 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 26 that was? 1 OFFICER JAMISON: So I actually did not at -- in between 2 the two -- two volleys of fire of -- of firing my -- my -- my 3 gun I didn't take a seat. It was a brief pause after I would 4 say like three or four rounds. Of firing three or four rounds 5 at him. I believe I hit him with some of those one hand shots 6 in his lower body. Is what it looked like. And giving him more 7 commands to drop the gun. And, like I said, I'm staring down 8 the barrel and the gun is jerking. I believe he's firing so at 9 that point I have two hands on my gun and I now fire back. I 10 don't know. Three -- four times. Some -- something like that. 11 12 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And you said that the first volley 13 of -- of shots that you fired -- three to four shots -- you 14 believe at least one or a few of them may have hit him? 15 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 16 SERGEANT WHITE: And what gave you that impression of that? 17 OFFICER JAMISON: I just saw, I mean, I was focusing on 18 site picture which I was aiming at the biggest target I had on 19 him, which was his -- his midsection. Chest area. With the one 20 -- I mean, it -- it looked like I had hit based on, you know, 21 kinds of like movements on his leg -- 22 SERGEANT WHITE: Uh-huh. 23 OFFICER JAMISON: -- kind of jerking around. I believe I 24 hit him in the lower body just with the one hands. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 27 SERGEANT WHITE: And your observations of him -- his gun 1 jerking and you believing that he was firing his weapon did that 2 continue until your -- throughout your second volley of -- of 3 gunfire as well? 4 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 5 SERGEANT WHITE: And had you given any more commands at 6 this point that you can recall? 7 OFFICER JAMISON: There were -- well, after my second 8 volley of firing at him I actually did according to the body 9 worn camera that's when I sat down in my patrol car. Just re-10 assessing. Trying to get out a little bit of radio traffic and 11 now I'm facing, you know, the echoing and whatnot of the radio. 12 The feedback. I can see at, you know, I did broadcast "shots 13 fired." I could see another unit now as I'm seated in my patrol 14 car I still have eyes on him and he's still laying on the 15 ground. I can see another patrol car driving at me southbound 16 on South Pacific. So you have, you know, a crossfire situation 17 potentially. And I saw it was Officer Drake. He -- he parked 18 quite a distance away and then -- then he was running up. I 19 think he grabbed some cover. I even yelled at him or broadcast 20 something for him just to stand by there because I could see, 21 you know, this guy he's still -- has the gun pointed at me and, 22 you know, it's -- it's kind of raising and whatnot. And I need 23 to re-engage with him. So that's what I did. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 28 OFFICER JAMISON: Re-engage with him and I gave him more 1 commands. To drop the gun. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: And when you say "re-engage" is it -- are 3 you talking -- 4 OFFICER JAMISON: Like -- 5 SERGEANT WHITE: -- more gunfire or just communicating with 6 the suspect? 7 OFFICER JAMISON: Communicating. Step out of the car. 8 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Right. 9 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 10 SERGEANT WHITE: So after your second volley of gunfire the 11 suspect is still moving and is he still pointing the firearm at 12 you? 13 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 14 SERGEANT WHITE: Does it still appear that he's trying to 15 fire that weapon? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: After which? After the second -- 17 SERGEANT WHITE: After the second volley. 18 OFFICER JAMISON: -- volley? No. 19 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Where was the firearm at this 20 point? OFFICER JAMISON: It's still in his right hand. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Still pointed at you -- 22 OFFICER JAMISON: Yeah. 23 SERGEANT WHITE: -- in your direction? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: Uh-huh. Right. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 29 SERGEANT WHITE: Is the suspect saying anything at this 1 point? 2 OFFICER JAMISON: Nothing. 3 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And so you briefly retreat into 4 your vehicle. 5 OFFICER JAMISON: Uh-huh. 6 SERGEANT WHITE: You -- did you shut the door? 7 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 8 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And then you put out some radio 9 traffic? 10 OFFICER JAMISON: Uh-huh. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: And then what did you do next? 12 OFFICER JAMISON: Then I was communicating with Officer 13 Drake who was coming up and, you know, like I said, the 14 potential crossfire situation. So I'm kind of dealing with him. 15 Watching my backdrop. And the guy still has the gun pointed at 16 me. What I didn't want obviously is crossfire. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: Uh-huh. 18 OFFICER JAMISON: So but I felt the need to re -- exit my 19 vehicle. Because I think he's still going to shoot me -- 20 SERGEANT WHITE: Uh-huh. 21 OFFICER JAMISON: -- at that point. All it's going to take 22 is him to stand up. And get out of the car and I aim my firearm 23 at him and he's not responding to my commands to drop the gun. 24 At all. As a matter of fact, you know, for the most part it was 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 30 flat against the ground. Or like horizontal with the ground. I 1 mean, it was moving up at that point, but I didn't -- I don't 2 recall seeing at that point I don't recall like seeing like the 3 jerking motions. Like for -- of him trying to fire. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 5 OFFICER JAMISON: So I made the decision to -- because I 6 could see now another unit had -- which ended up being Sergeant 7 Munoz -- driven up on the -- on the grass and was engaging with 8 him. So the next -- the next best thing for me is to grab 9 cover, which I grabbed it at the rear of my patrol vehicle. 10 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And you mentioned Sergeant Munoz 11 engages with him and again you're mention -- you say engage 12 meaning trying to communicate with the subject not firing his 13 weapon? 14 OFFICER JAMISON: I don't remember him saying anything, but 15 I -- he's at gunpoint with the suspect. 16 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And I want to go back real quick to 17 -- I want you to describe if you can your emotions and your -- 18 your thought -- 19 OFFICER JAMISON: Uh-huh. 20 SERGEANT WHITE: -- your train -- your mind said when 21 you're looking at the suspect with his fire -- his firearm 22 pointed at you. 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Well, what I was feeling is, I mean, he -24 - he's trying to kill me. There's absolutely no doubt. You 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 31 know, he's an eminent threat to me. Not just the public, but 1 me. Personally speaking. He's trying to kill me with his gun. 2 By shooting it at me. That's -- that's what I was feeling. 3 And I'm trained to obviously win gun battles and I'm going to 4 overcome and do whatever I need to do to win and go home safe. 5 That's what's going through my mind. 6 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you felt -- do you feel like your 7 knowledge of what had transpired prior to your shooting had any 8 effect on your mindset at the time of your shooting? Meaning 9 the prior assault with a deadly weapon where he allegedly shot a 10 bicyclist? Do -- did that come into play? 11 OFFICER JAMISON: I would say yes. Obviously it -- it 12 wasn't much of a surprise to me. I was mentally prepared, you 13 know, while I was responding. Because the Code 3 to me sounded 14 or the -- the Code 3 run it seemed like forever to me. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: Uh-huh. 16 OFFICER JAMISON: You know? You're off in no man's land 17 over there. But it seemed like forever. So during that time 18 I'm reading my KDT. The screen. I'm listening to updates. 19 Processing. Okay. If I come in contact with him what do I do. 20 Am I going to go to the victim first. I mean, what are -- what 21 are we doing. But as it played out I could see a couple of 22 units it looks like they were ahead of me and went to the 23 victim. Because they went northbound PCH from Warner. I could 24 see that. So once I heard the suspect's now southbound towards 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 32 Warner that's my task. I'm -- I'm searching for the suspect. 1 Because they're going to go tend to the victim. 2 SERGEANT JONES: Can I ask a follow-up question? In 3 regards to the broadcast that's coming out -- 4 OFFICER JAMISON: Uh-huh. 5 SERGEANT JONES: -- did they -- I haven't listened to it. 6 Did they broadcast that there were victims in relation to the 7 initial call? The assault with a deadly weapon? Was there a 8 shooting victim? 9 OFFICER JAMISON: Yeah. There was a shooting victim. A 10 bicyclist. A male was down. 11 SERGEANT JONES: Okay. So as you're responding to this 12 call you now know or believe that a shooting did occur. This 13 guy shot a citizen and that you were rolling into a potential 14 active shooter type of situation? 15 OFFICER JAMISON: Absolutely. 16 SERGEANT JONES: Okay. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: So is it safe to say with in addition to 18 your own safety that the community -- the public was still at 19 risk at that point? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: Oh, definitely. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: Uh -- 22 OFFICER JAMISON: And I mean I was his next target once he 23 saw me. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: And did -- do you recall when you fired 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 33 your weapon what your -- your backdrop was at that point? If 1 that even came into -- into your mind? 2 OFFICER JAMISON: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. There was 3 nothing in my -- my backdrop. At all. And because he was 4 laying across the ground with the gun and, you know, I'm six 5 feet so my trajectory was downward towards him and there was 6 nothing else around. 7 SERGEANT WHITE: So it's safe to say that had you missed 8 that this gun -- knows -- those rounds would have likely struck 9 the ground based on that trajec -- trajectory? 10 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. Yes. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. When the other officers showed up 12 you mentioned Sergeant Munoz and Officer Brian Drake you 13 retreated to the back of your vehicle. 14 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: What do you recall happening after that? 16 17 OFFICER JAMISON: Then I established communication with 18 Sergeant Munoz. I'm like, "Hey, I'm going to relocate to you," 19 you know. "It's a better -- it's a better angle." Eliminates 20 the -- the crossfire situation I had going on. And he told me, 21 "No." "Stay there." And, you know. Quite obvious he -- he saw 22 the gun still aimed in my direction and it wasn't safe for me to 23 run across and join him. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And so then what did you do? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 34 OFFICER JAMISON: I just I think I kind of like crouched 1 down at the back of my patrol car. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 3 OFFICER JAMISON: And I could see -- I could see an arrest 4 team forming and, you know, all of the resources are coming in 5 joining Sergeant Munoz. And they're giving him commands. So I 6 just hung out there until they made the approach and handcuffed 7 him. 8 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you remember what officers you recall 9 seeing? As part of that arrest team? 10 OFFICER JAMISON: I don't know. I don't remember. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Do you remember approximately how 12 many officers were there? 13 OFFICER JAMISON: Five. Six. It's a pretty decent -- a 14 decent number. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: And at this point did -- are you still at 16 the rear of your patrol vehicle? 17 OFFICER JAMISON: I think I started -- I start sneaking up 18 a little bit. 19 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. On which side of your vehicle? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: On my passenger side. I was holstered at 21 that point. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Yeah. I started sneaking up. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: And at that point you didn't join the 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 35 arrest team? 1 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. What -- what did you see the arrest 3 team do? 4 OFFICER JAMISON: By the time I hit like the front of my 5 car I could see -- I mean, he's on the ground. He's handcuffed. 6 And they're assessing him. 7 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And this arrest team were these all 8 uniformed officers? 9 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 10 SERGEANT WHITE: Were there any un -- un -- plainclothes 11 detectives or anything that you can recall? 12 OFFICER JAMISON: Not that I remember. 13 SERGEANT WHITE: So it's safe to say these -- these 14 uniformed officers were wearing something similar to what you 15 were wearing? Maybe not the external vest, but they were in a 16 police uniform with -- 17 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 18 SERGEANT WHITE: -- full, you know, clearly identified as 19 police officers? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: And then ultimately approach the suspect 22 and he -- he's placed in handcuffs? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: At some point did you approach? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 36 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 1 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And do you recall observing any 2 actions that those officers were taking? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: Medical. I think I heard it was Officer 4 Jen -- Ryan Jensen was taking the lead for -- as far -- I -- I 5 remember hearing -- I thought I -- I thought it was him yell out 6 for a tourniquet. So on my external vest I have a little IFAK. 7 In there is, I mean, I think I have two tourniquets. I have 8 chest seals, you know. Wound packing gauze and whatnot. And I 9 think I opened that up and then the tourniquet ended up being 10 out of play because they -- they found a -- I'll call it a 11 through and through -- so in the chest and then out the back. I 12 saw them roll him over and you could see an entry and exit. 13 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And did -- do you see those 14 officers from the arrest team providing medical aid to the 15 suspect? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: Did you see them using any type of medical 18 equipment on -- on the suspect to assist them? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. I know -- I don't know who I handed 20 it to, but I was able to open one of my chest seal packets and 21 provide that. That may have been applied to his back. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And do you know if they applied a 23 tourniquet to the suspect? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: I don't know. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 37 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And may -- you may have -- they may 1 have applied the -- the chest seal to the back. Do you know if 2 they did any other type of -- of first aid with -- to the 3 suspect? 4 OFFICER JAMISON: For certain, no. But I -- I do recall 5 them placing the chest seal also on the front. 6 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Do you recall seeing any injuries 7 on the suspect? 8 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 9 SERGEANT WHITE: What do you recall seeing and where? 10 OFFICER JAMISON: So abdomen and chest. Something like 11 that. I -- I saw a bullet hole or, you know, an entry wound. I 12 saw an exit through his back. And it looked like he had been 13 hit a couple of times. Like I remember seeing one on his thigh. 14 Maybe another one closer to his like knee or shin area. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Was the suspect conscious at this 16 point? 17 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 18 SERGEANT WHITE: What was he doing? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: He was -- I mean, he was just shouting 20 expletives. Just "mother fucking" everybody. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: And those expletives were directed towards 22 the officers -- 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Yeah. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: -- that were helping him? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 38 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 1 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And was he -- was he speaking 2 English? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: And he's -- he is -- is he being combative 5 or -- or uncooperative or just verbally -- 6 OFFICER JAMISON: He was also yelling, you know, like "ow," 7 you know. It seemed like he was in pain. 8 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 9 OFFICER JAMISON: But he was handcuffed. I mean, I don't -10 - I wouldn't necessarily say he was combative. He wasn't like 11 kicking around. 12 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 13 OFFICER JAMISON: Didn't like he was -- I mean, he wasn't 14 the best patient. 15 SERGEANT WHITE: I want to kind of go back a little bit to 16 just that day. Do you -- do you recall the weather conditions 17 that day? 18 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. It was cloudy and it was supposed 19 to be getting or -- it was supposed to begin raining very soon. 20 21 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And at that point it had not 22 rained. So was -- was it dry? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: It was dry. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: And you had mentioned or the -- the 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 39 shooting occurred at about 12:22 in the after -- or I'm sorry. 1 About 12:30 in the afternoon. Was the sun out or was it 2 overcast? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: It was overcast. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: But it was -- but it was daylight though? 5 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 6 SERGEANT WHITE: You had mentioned your lights and sirens 7 were on in your response, but you turned your siren off when you 8 arrived on scene? 9 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 10 SERGEANT WHITE: Can you recall any other sound conditions 11 that would have prevented the suspect from hearing your 12 commands? OFFICER JAMISON: No. 13 SERGEANT WHITE: Any other officers in the area the sirens 14 that were activated that would have prevented him from hearing 15 your commands to -- to drop the firearm? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you -- do you recall whether there was 18 a helicopter that was present overhead? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: I had requested one while I was en route, 20 but I knew HB-1 was not up. I think dispatch's response was 21 they're working on it. But I do not recall any arriving prior 22 to me arriving or even being present until I left the scene. 23 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. I know I'm kind of jumping around a 24 little bit, but as far as your -- the actual officer involved 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 40 shooting. Do you recall whether you used your -- your sites or 1 was this just point and shoot situation? 2 OFFICER JAMISON: The first volley was just point and 3 shoot. The second was using sites. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: The first volley was one handed point and 5 shoot and the -- 6 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 7 SERGEANT WHITE: -- second you had described it as both 8 hands on the -- on the firearm on the grip? 9 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 10 SERGEANT WHITE: With sites. Do you have a -- a flashlight 11 mounted to your handgun? 12 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 13 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. And as far as the firearm that you 14 used it was the department-issued Glock that you had mentioned 15 prior -- previously in the interview; correct? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: And as far as your observations that day 18 or what you recall do you -- do you know if the other off -- any 19 other officers fired at the suspect? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: Not that I'm aware of. 21 SERGEANT WHITE: And did you -- ultimately did you provide 22 a public safety statement? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you remember who you provided that to? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 41 1 OFFICER JAMISON: There were like three sergeants on scene 2 and I want to say it was Sergeant Munoz, but I couldn't even be 3 like a hundred percent certain. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: You had mentioned your initial 5 observations of the suspect -- he appeared under the influence 6 of narcotics. Do you know -- obviously different narcotics 7 offer differ -- or show different symptomatology. What type of 8 narcotic did you think he was possibly under the influence of? 9 10 OFFICER JAMISON: Based on my just very quick assessment -- 11 it was obviously real limited -- methamphetamine. It was, you 12 know, seemed a stimulant was what was going on there. 13 SERGEANT WHITE: And you -- you made that estimate -- or 14 you made that observation and determination based on what? Your 15 training and experience? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: And you've been a police officer for 18 twenty years? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 20 SERGEANT WHITE: You've made arrests for people under the 21 influence of -- of CNS stimulants? 22 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 23 SERGEANT WHITE: So you're aware of the objective symptoms 24 of somebody that's under the influence of CNS stimulants? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 42 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 1 SERGEANT JONES: And just for the record, a CNS stimulant 2 is a central nervous system stimulant; correct? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: That's correct. 4 SERGEANT JONES: Okay. 5 SERGEANT WHITE: Are you by chance a -- a drug recognition 6 expert? 7 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 8 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Do you recall about how long it 9 took for paramedics to arrive on scene? 10 OFFICER JAMISON: It seemed like awhile. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: Yeah. Don't -- don't recall quite a 12 timeframe at that point? 13 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 14 SERGEANT WHITE: Once they arrive on scene -- I'm -- prior 15 to them arriving on scene did the officers continue to provide 16 medical aid until paramedics arrived on scene? 17 OFFICER JAMISON: They were with him. I don't know exactly 18 what they were doing, but -- 19 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 20 OFFICER JAMISON: -- just kind of -- just, you know. 21 Stepping back and just kind of gathering myself at that point. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: And once the paramedics arrived on scene 23 did you see him get taken away in an ambulance? 24 OFFICER JAMISON: I didn't see that. 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 43 SERGEANT WHITE: Where were you at this point? 1 OFFICER JAMISON: Uh -- 2 ATTORNEY : Well, he's not going to know because he 3 didn't see it. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: Good point. Did -- did you sustain any 5 injuries -- 6 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 7 SERGEANT WHITE: -- that day? 8 OFFICER JAMISON: Well, other than -- no. Just a 9 pronounced ringing in my ears, which I already have tinnitus, 10 but it was just on a whole other level. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: And what do you think exacerbated that? 12 OFFICER JAMISON: The exposure to, you know, the gunshots. 13 No -- no hearing protection. 14 SERGEANT WHITE: Do you recall if any other officers were 15 injured? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: To your knowledge you don't -- you don't 18 think that they were? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 20 SERGEANT WHITE: I'll just go through these real quick to 21 make sure they -- do you have anything? 22 SERGEANT JONES: Yeah. Just a couple. In regards to your 23 prior work experience at the other agency did you -- were you -- 24 did you have any special assignments while you worked at that 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 44 agency? 1 OFFICER JAMISON: I had a few. 2 SERGEANT JONES: Can you name those please. 3 OFFICER JAMISON: I was a recruit training officer. It was 4 on loan to the L.A. County Sheriff's Department. So I just -- 5 otherwise known as like a D.I. at the academy. I also worked -- 6 I was a field training coordinator. And I worked the -- the 7 Training Unit. So I oversaw the field training program for all 8 of the trainees and F.T.O.s and then all of the new hires. So 9 basically from the date they're hired until a month later when 10 they start the academy. Get them in shape. And then also 11 supervise them during the academy. 12 SERGEANT JONES: Any detective experience or special like 13 special enforcement teams or special investigative units? 14 OFFICER JAMISON: I was on loan for a summer with L.A. 15 County Sheriff's T.S.B. It was like -- it was a task force. 16 Graffiti task force. You know, search warrants, probation, 17 parole compliance and whatnot. 18 SERGEANT JONES: Any SWAT team or firearm instructor 19 experience? 20 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 21 SERGEANT JONES: Okay. In regards to that day of the 22 shooting -- that being December 27th -- you said that when you 23 first arrived and you saw him acting consistent with being under 24 the influence of some kind of drug he was -- he had taken a 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 45 kneel -- a kneeling position. 1 OFFICER JAMISON: Uh-huh. 2 SERGEANT JONES: Was that with his right knee or his left 3 knee down? Or were they both down? 4 OFFICER JAMISON: I don't remember. 5 SERGEANT JONES: Okay. Is it -- you said he had his arm 6 extended out in front of him. I would say like a -- close to a 7 ninety degree angle? 8 OFFICER JAMISON: Yeah. He -- he brought the gun up. It 9 was like coming up towards what I assume was the other black and 10 white across the way. 11 SERGEANT JONES: Based on your training and experience that 12 being like law enforcement training and -- and experiences you 13 had with investigating shootings in the past was that position 14 that he took consistent with establishing some type of shooting 15 platform? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: Oh, absolutely. 17 SERGEANT JONES: Was it your -- let me stop. After you saw 18 him kneel like that with the gun raised you -- what you thought 19 was in the direction of a fellow officer did you notice any 20 other citizens in that immediate area? 21 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 22 SERGEANT JONES: Okay. What was -- what was your mindset? 23 Did you think that he was a threat to your partner that was on 24 scene? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 46 OFFICER JAMISON: A threat to my partner and based on where 1 -- where this happened -- where I encountered him I do know 2 Linear -- that's Linear Park. I mean it's typically very 3 crowded. Well, I shouldn't say crowded, but there's usually 4 anywhere between five to, you know, a dozen transients with 5 their, you know, they spend the day there in the park. And I 6 also do know a little bit north of that, which not in my direct 7 backdrop, but it's -- it's nearby is a kid's playground. 8 SERGEANT JONES: In that area of North Pacific and South 9 Pacific in the area of Sunset Beach that's a residential area; 10 right? 11 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 12 SERGEANT JONES: And there's a public beach there. Is that 13 correct? 14 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. And that would be beyond the -- the 15 houses. 16 SERGEANT JONES: And there's parking in that area for 17 people to access the beach? 18 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 19 SERGEANT JONES: And this incident took place just after 20 Christmas, which was in that two week window where people would 21 be off? Like kids off from school or -- or on vacations? 22 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 23 SERGEANT JONES: And you said it was -- I mean, we know 24 that the shooting occurred sometime in the area of noon -- 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 47 12:30. Was it likely that there were a decent amount of people 1 in the area at that time? 2 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. Especially, you know, you got a 3 storm coming. Surf's probably up. 4 SERGEANT JONES: When -- when the suspect became aware of 5 your presence and -- and -- and moved his position did he stand 6 up and then lay back down? Or did he like roll like -- like 7 tactically? 8 OFFICER JAMISON: It looked like a tactic -- as I would 9 like -- I'll describe it. It -- it looked like a combat. It 10 looked, I mean, to me, in my mind, it's almost like he was in a 11 videogame. Like a combat video game. Yeah. And it was like a 12 -- just a roll. 13 SERGEANT JONES: And you said that when he rolled he 14 presented the gun in your direction and he appeared to be 15 jerking it. Is that correct? 16 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 17 SERGEANT JONES: And were you in fear for your life? 18 OFFICER JAMISON: Definitely. 19 SERGEANT JONES: Were you in fear for the life of your 20 partners? 21 OFFICER JAMISON: Initially, yes. When I first saw him, 22 you know, his -- his -- all of his attention was across the 23 greenbelt there. 24 SERGEANT JONES: Based on the -- the nature of the call 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 48 that you were responding to -- that being the assault with a 1 deadly weapon shooting with a victim -- reported victim -- in 2 combination with your observations did you feel that this person 3 was an eminent threat to the public safety? 4 OFFICER JAMISON: Yeah. Not only myself, but to the public 5 as well. So you've got the joint thing going on. 6 SERGEANT JONES: Okay. And you said that you believed he 7 was firing his firearm at you? 8 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 9 SERGEANT JONES: Okay. I don't have anything else. 10 SERGEANT WHITE: Did you recognize the suspect from any 11 prior contacts? 12 OFFICER JAMISON: Never. He did not look familiar. 13 SERGEANT WHITE: Never -- to your knowledge you've never 14 seen him before? 15 OFFICER JAMISON: Correct. 16 SERGEANT WHITE: And dealt with him. When you made your 17 approach right after the arrest team did you -- did you happen 18 to see the firearm or where that went? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 20 SERGEANT WHITE: And could you tell what condition it was 21 in? Or recall? 22 OFFICER JAMISON: I don't know. It was -- it was resting 23 on the ground off to the side. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: What did it look like? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 49 OFFICER JAMISON: I mean, I -- I -- I just remember seeing 1 the slide. 2 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 3 OFFICER JAMISON: And it -- and it was consistent with what 4 I had initially seen, you know. It looked like a Glock slide to 5 me. And kind of like with the -- with the serration or whatever 6 you want to call it. 7 SERGEANT WHITE: Could you tell whether or even recall I 8 should say whether there was a magazine inserted in it? 9 OFFICER JAMISON: No. I didn't -- I didn't look that 10 close. SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. Could you tell whether it was 11 in a slide lock or anything like that? Did you get that close? 12 13 OFFICER JAMISON: No. No. I mean, I was there. I was 14 standing right next to it, but I didn't -- I didn't examine it. 15 16 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 17 OFFICER JAMISON: I just, "Oh, gun." "Okay." And that was 18 pretty much it. 19 SERGEANT WHITE: Did you talk to any witnesses out there? 20 21 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 22 SERGEANT WHITE: Did anybody approach you afterwards? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: Did ultimately you end up at the station? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 50 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 1 SERGEANT WHITE: And what -- what did you end up -- what 2 ended up happening there? 3 OFFICER JAMISON: So -- 4 ATTORNEY : Aside from communication with your 5 attorney? 6 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 7 ATTORNEY : Right? 8 OFFICER JAMISON: Yeah. Just with the Sheriff's 9 Department. So I was taken from the scene back -- directly back 10 to the station by Lieutenant Brian Smith. I was here. I was 11 met with 12 -- excuse me. Shortly thereafter Trauma Support Group. 13 SERGEANT WHITE: And then ultimately the Orange County 14 Sheriff's Department Crime Lab came; correct? 15 OFFICER JAMISON: Later on. 16 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. 17 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 18 SERGEANT WHITE: And then photographed you? 19 OFFICER JAMISON: Right. 20 SERGEANT WHITE: And then they took your firearm and your 21 magazines? 22 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 23 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. I don't have anything else. Do you 24 have anything? 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 51 SERGEANT JONES: Just I'm just going to reiterate something 1 that I think you've answered, but I want to be clear. You 2 believed after the suspect rolled on to his back or on to his 3 side and -- and pointed the gun at you that he was firing at 4 you; correct? 5 OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 6 SERGEANT JONES: During the entire incident was it your 7 belief that the gun was in operating condition and capable of 8 being fired at you or -- or people within the area? 9 OFFICER JAMISON: Oh, yeah. 10 SERGEANT JONES: I'm good. 11 SERGEANT WHITE: What do you think your distance was to him 12 at that point? 13 OFFICER JAMISON: Well, because the -- because my patrol 14 car had moved forward slightly it -- it wasn't significant. But 15 I don't know. Twenty feet. Maybe fifteen. Something like 16 that. 17 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. I don't have any other questions. 18 Do you have any -- 19 SERGEANT JONES: No. 20 SERGEANT WHITE: -- questions? Richard, is there anything 21 else that you would like to add that I didn't ask or we didn't 22 cover? 23 OFFICER JAMISON: No. 24 SERGEANT WHITE: All right. Then let me go ahead and read 25 INTERVIEW OF: RICHARD JAMISON CASE NO.: FD2021-0002 52 this final admonishment to you. Richard, I'm ordering you not 1 to discuss this interview or investigation with anyone other 2 than your representative or Sergeant Jones or I. Do you 3 understand? OFFICER JAMISON: Yes. 4 SERGEANT WHITE: Okay. If you could I'm going to have you 5 circle "yes" and initial next to that. 6 OFFICER JAMISON: Right here? 7 SERGEANT WHITE: Yeah. 8 OFFICER JAMISON: Okay. 9 SERGEANT WHITE: All right. And the time is now 11:15. 10 11:16. And we're going to be going off the record. 11 12 (END OF AUDIO) 13 14